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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Jul 21, 2013 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: extra helping of tuna

Hot Tuna should play at Telluride Bluegrass Festival. Why have they never played there? Planet Bluegrass had Robert Plant & Band of Joy at TBF in 2011; John Fogerty in 2012; etc, etc, blah, blah... What the heck are they waiting for? People should be bombarding Planet Bluegrass with emails demanding Hot Tuna for TBF in 2014! This remains a musical-heritage and cultural-heritage injustice right now. We already know TBF fans would go bonkers for Hot Tuna. It's a fact.

[Planet Bluegrass has two huge festivals every year in Colorado. TBF is a newgrass festival, always has been. For straight-up bluegrass there is the Rockygrass Festival. It's coming up next week nearby my place. You'll see many of the same TBF players at Rockygrass. At TBF they play a lot of newgrass; at Rockygrass they play traditional bluegrass.]

Leon Russell and The Newgrass Revival (with Sam Bush) toured together about 35 years ago. [Sam Bush is lovingly referred to as "king of Telluride" these days. Sam plays TBF and Rockygrass every year.]

Leon Russell is coming to Fort Collins this summer for the annual Bohemian Nights at NewWestFest. The free Festival is Aug 16, 17, 18. I'd recommend seeing him at the State Theater instead - as you did, and paying for that. The free festival here is all about vending, vending, and more vending. It looks like Disneyland to me. Leon Russell will be performing for free in Fort Collins on Sunday, Aug 18, at 5:30pm on the Mountain Stage... http://www.bohemiannights.org/lineup.html

The NewWestFest audience is located in the downtown city streets of Fort Collins for these shows. There's numerous stages and zillions of vendors. The crowd-audience area is not very wide (as wide as a two-lane street), and the crowd spills way, way back. You can't hear shit in several places because there are dead spots all over. Total waste of time unless you like flashy big screen displays, plenty of drunken idiots, and lots of cops all over the place. They had Earl Scruggs several years ago. Last year they had Jerry Douglas and Allison Krauss, and I couldn't get near them... thousands of people in front of the stage, crammed inside a downtown street, it was a wall of people going back for several blocks. What a joke!

But, a couple of years ago we had thunderstorms and a good downpour right before Sunday's headliner act for NewWestFest. Asleep At The Wheel was scheduled to play. My place is nearby so I walked over there to see the aftermath. The show was delayed but the stage was intact. So I was just hanging out with a few people in front of the stage and we were watching the skies starting to clear up. Hardly anyone else was there. After a 45-minute delay, Asleep at the Wheel played a great show. I loved it!! Only a couple of hundred people showed up and it was a rare treat for me. I lucked out big-time that evening! I love Bob Wills music and western swing.

For me, I can't stand big crowds - never liked them. I tolerated huge crowds in 1973 with GD.

Related threads and discussions:
http://archive.org/post/378848/were-the-new-riders-the-hot-tuna-of-the-dead
http://archive.org/post/552921/the-importance-of-attending-a-show-part-ii

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 21, 2013 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Willie Asleep at The Wheel salute Bob Wills

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq0XlMXBqTs

Here's a song I wrote on a plane
Between Dallas and Austin goin' to El Paso, whoops
Now this is what gave us the idea to come down here
This is a song about a guy that probably did as much
For our kind of music as anybody

Well, the Honky Tonks in Texas
Were my natural second home
The way you tip your hat to the ladies
In the rose of San Antone

I grew up on music
That we call western swing
It don't matter whose in Austin
Bob Wills is still the king

Lord, I can still remember
The way things were back then
In spite of all the hard times
I'd live it all again

To hear the Texas Playboys
And Tommy Duncan sing
Makes me proud to be from Texas
Where Bob Wills is still the king

You can hear the Grand Ol' Opry
In Nashville, Tennessee
It's the home of country music
On that we all agree

But when you cross that ol' Red River hoss
That just don't mean a thing
Once you're down in Texas
Bob Wills is still the king

If you ain't never been there
Then I guess you ain't been told
That you just can't live in Texas
Unless you got a lot of soul

It's the home of Willie Nelson
The home of western swing
He'll be the first to tell you
Bob Wills is still the king

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsqVMbPySX4&;list=TL3fgm7bWf0e8

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 22, 2013 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Willie Asleep at The Wheel salute Bob Wills

Any fan of GD who doesn't know the Waylon Live album is missing out on one of life's best things. That album would be in my top 5 of all time. Of course, I have great memories of family car trips with Willie and Waylon and The Man in Black in the tape deck so I cannot speak objectively.

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Jul 25, 2013 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tuna and taping

It's interesting to note how "the taping thing" differs immensely between these two camps: GD bands allowing taping; Asleep At The Wheel, Hot Tuna, and Mitterhoff strongly disallowing taping. eTree's bit torrent Upload page Notice --
- Never upload these artists! - This list is not all-inclusive.
- Hot Tuna, Blue Country, Jorma Kaukonen, Jack Casady or Barry Mitterhoff when
connected to Hot Tuna or any other environment where the above are musicians.

- John Scofield
- Allman Brothers Band
- Garaj Mahal soundboards.
- No Peter Rowan per his management.
- NO Leftover Salmon from 2007 except 6/24/07
- No JJ Cale per his management
- No The Victor Wooten Band per the band
I met Barry Mitterhoff several times at Bluegrass Festivals back east in 1974. I recall him being delegated to the same ilk-type second-class player associations as Kenny Kosack, Russ Barenberg, Tony Trishka, Pete Wernick, and Andy Statman - because they were playing Newgrass material, and lots of hippies liked what they were doing. I can't remember who Mitterhoff played with, exactly, but he would know this scene as well as anyone. The aforementioned players were a big part of the upstate NY crowd from the Ithaca area. Breakfast Special and Country Cookin' were two of their famous bands in this era. They played phenomenal hippie shit bluegrass - especially Breakfast Special! The hippie crowd enjoyed them at nearly every big Festival back east. They were more creative than anyone else by merging more off-the-wall genres into Bluegrass material than anyone else. Bill Monroe and other "diehard" bands and fans would castigate newgrass bands and fans for being non-traditional outlaws. This was a hot-button (hippie) issue! Promoters profited off of everyone. The newgrass bands played late in the evenings, mostly to large hippie crowds. Breakfast Special played the last set of the night at many Festivals. The afternoon sets were a mixed bag of artists and bands. The traditional bands played in all the prime time slots, and they also played gospel music on Sunday mornings. I went to quite a few of the larger established bluegrass festivals back east during 1974 to 1976.

I was a soundman for newgrass type bands in the middle of all this shit! So, I was just curious, why is Mitterhoff such a 'bitter-hoff' - now that he has made it "legit" and gets all this respect these days? Soundmen and tapers like myself helped bridge the gap between bluegrass music bands and newgrass music outlaw bands. Look what Bear did with OAITW. He led the way and I rode his coat-tails. Today it's all lumped together and it's called progressive bluegrass. It's a spin, what's all the fuss? No need to hide this underground anti-establishment shit and cover it up.


This post was modified by Monte B Cowboy on 2013-07-25 17:10:35

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jul 22, 2013 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: extra helping of tuna

Monte, I have no reason why.They play all the time in all configurations w/ people like David Bromberg and G.E. Smith and others. Also Jorma still plys small clubs solo. This time it was w/ Skooter,Jack,Barry and Jorma.What if anyone know what are those little itty bitty guitars Barry plays they are not mandolins,he does play mandolins and I know what they look and sound like .I would try to reach Fur Peace Ranch and or any one connected to his management.They love to play still going stong over 70 and make to the east coast at least 2x a year.

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Jul 22, 2013 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: extra helping of tuna

Most of the itty bitty (short-necked) electric "guitars" I've seen and heard played had four strings on them. Texas swing and western swing bands often feature them. Sometimes they sound like electric guitars, sometimes they sound like electric mandolins. Lots of people have played them, and I've taped some of them playing these instruments. Billie "Tiny" Moore was a Western swing musician who played the electric mandolin and fiddle with Western swing legend Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys in the 1940s.

Tiny Moore (1920 - 1987)
tinymoore.JPG

The guitar part in this amazing Bob Wills and Texas Playboys clip sounds to me like it might have Tiny Moore's electric mandolin playing overdubbed. And Johnny Gimble on fiddle is overdubbed. Bob Wills is the fiddle player on the right in the film clip. Notice the lap steel guitar with the dual necks. This is the shit!! YouTube video clip of "Stay A Little Longer"

Vince Gill plays electric mandolin in 1976 on this SBD track by Lazy River while I was their soundman -- Take Me Back To Tulsa, sung by John Jump, mp3 track - 5:39. Sam Bush played one, and Barry Mitterhoff plays one (and gets a different sound) in this embedded video w/ Hot Tuna, "Funky #7" - 13:21. (SCI uses one - I think.) Ricky Scaggs played one with six strings, the mandocaster. YouTube clip from vintage Austin City Limits show w/ Ricky on mandocaster - "Raisin" - 5:34.

Sam Bush also played an itty bitty acoustic dobro thingy, with a 'hubcap' resonator on it - the mando dobro. He played it like a mandolin, strung over his shoulder, and he used a slide bar on his pinky. Sam plays his mando-dobro in 1975 on this SBD track when I taped Newgrass Revival -- Fly Through the Country track, sung by John Cowan, mp3 track - 7:35

"Like father, [un]like son"

Nashville Portraits by Jim McGuire

Bill Monroe, the father
3_MONROE.jpg

Sam Bush, the son
SamBush.jpg



This post was modified by Monte B Cowboy on 2013-07-22 19:49:52